More from the Behaviour Management Database

December 18, 2006

I described in a previous entry the Behaviour Management Database at Stafford Green School and how there were students with many incidents of poor behaviour still in school. The following are the reported incidents for one child:

  • Kieran was calling out and generally off task. When removed from the room he was making faces through the door window and even returned to the classroom to hide under one of the desks.
  • Kieran ran past the maths office and yelled “Mr Adams is gay” into the office as he went.
  • Kieran persistently ignored instructions in the lesson, which lead to a detention after school. During the detention he refused to listen to me, the Head of Department or The Assistant Head. In the end he left the room without permission.
  • Kieran walked into me as I stood in the doorway then said ‘what the fuck do you think you’re doing, I’ll fucking knock you down’. He then shoved past both me and the Head of Department before running away.
  • During a gym lesson, Kieran had made an unpleasant comment to another boy about his mum starting a fight, I then went over to see what was happening and I had to hold Kieran back.
  • Kieran sat in the wrong place and refused to move even for the Head of Department
  • He kept on chatting, and turning around and interrupting me while I was teaching. He totally ignored my instructions, was asked to move but still kept on chatting and shouting out. He was then asked to stand outside the classroom, which he refused to do at first. By the end of the lesson, he was being mean to a pupil, and pushed his desk against another boy.
  • Kieran today entered the wrong classroom and refused to leave. Then he walked into the cupboard, stole textbooks, and was generally very disruptive. I left him with the Deputy Head, but when she was dealing with something else he lay in the hall punching the wall calling things “fucking gay.”
  • Kieran was continually interrupting the class and being argumentative, referring to me as “Bill” when I asked him to stop. When I did not give him good marks on his report and explained the reasons why he shouted that I was ‘gay’ as he left the room.
  • Kieran threw a bag at Manny. I asked him to leave the room and as he did so pulled other student’s coats off of the pegs. He was then abusive to me. He sat on the floor and when asked by other staff to stand up refused to do so.
  • He started to make inappropriate comments and was removed him from the lesson. At the end of the day he came back to the room and was abusive both to myself and his tutor.
  • He started to spray water around the room out of a tap. He was asked to stop doing this but refused. He was asked to go outside the door. He then wandered off.
  • He took Abdul’s glasses and began imitating him, he continued with similar disruptive behaviour, eventually leaping across the table to grab Manny and trying to strangle him.
  • Kieran began to try and spray another pupil using the tap. I asked him to stop. As soon as I started talking to the class he began trying to spray water again. I told him to leave, which he did but carried on wandering off down the corridor.
  • He shouted at me and told me that he didn’t care what I said I removed him at this point. When I went to speak to him I was reasonable but he was rude and arrogant frequently saying that he didn’t like me or maths any more and that he was going to move to another school anyway so it didn’t matter what he did here as he would behave there with his friends. I calmed him down and let him back in and he was okay for a bit but then kicked off again when Miss Dish came in accused me of “liking her”. He was so rude when I spoke to him again in response to me stating that he was normally good for me and what had changed that I had to remove him again to talk to the class. The class appear to be getting sick of Kieran because they want to learn and have a good relationship with me.
  • Kieran tried to start a fight with Mark. – he flicked his work and then grabbed Mark’s tie and started pulling on it.
  • Kieran refused to comply with any instructions during the lesson today. He was aggressive and antagonistic towards me, continually shouting abusive comments across the room at me and at other students. He ended the lesson by shouting ‘penis’ and refusing to remain at the end before returning to the room repeatedly because his friend had been kept in.
  • Kieran did not bring his P.E. kit for the second week running, and he was lent kit. Also on several occasions during the lesson he was rude when speaking to me.
  • In my maths lesson Kieran became abusive when I asked him to stop and listen. He left the lesson and proceeded to strangle himself with a piece of string. He had done this at the start saying he was trying to break a world record! I told him to stop and he did on this occasion. I went out to speak to him and he would not listen and went in to the toilet. He tied himself to a pipe and refused to come out. I sent Jordan in to speak to him. Kieran listened to Jordan and came in but was disinterested and did not take part in the lesson. At the end of the lesson he was fine with me but then climbed out of the window when dismissed.
  • Kieran during this lesson displayed extreme behaviour
    1. Hiding in the cupboard

    2. Refusing to work
    3. Eating take away chicken
    4. Shouting “you gay batty hole” out of the window and at other pupils (who were calmly working)
    5. Leaving the lesson without permission to punch Guraj
    6. Unrolling posters
    7. Not letting me back into the room when I went to check on the class next door. There was no provocation for this behaviour, everybody else was calm and working.

  • As we were coming in from the fire drill I saw Kieran kick another boy. I asked him to stop but he walked past me. I called after him but he kept walking. I followed him, touched him on the shoulder to get his attention as he was still not responding to me and he said ‘Don’t you fucking touch me.’ I was startled by this response but he said he often swore at teachers. I told him I only wanted him to come in quietly and not cause any further fuss after we had all been outside. There had been some incident over a pen apparently which led him to kick this other student. He said ‘Alright I won’t kick him, next time I’ll punch him in the head.’
  • Kieran arrived at registration tonight at 3.25, just in time to receive detention slips from other members of staff. He screwed these up and threw them at me. I then escorted him to his detention. On the way over he jumped up and hit me on the back of the head.
  • He proceeded to be abusive and swear at me – he told me that he “didn’t give a crap”, “I don’t care”, “I’m going to get you”, “fuck off” squared up to me and swore in my face. He was told to leave and did so briefly, only to return and disrupt my after school lesson three times. On the third occasion I asked him to either leave or I would have to make a ‘phone call and have him escorted off-site. I explained that he was making the situation worse and tried to calm him down, he then told me to “fuck off” a further four times, at which point the Assistant Head arrived and assisted in removing him form the corridor. He then went outside and started banging on the windows of my classroom.
  • Kieran was continually interrupting the lesson, he kept lying down on the floor and crawling around on the floor under the desks despite being asked not to and agreeing to behave appropriately. A written note was passed to him by another student, when I asked for it he ate it.
  • Kieran made verbal threats of violence against me
  • At the end of lunch Kieran walked past and began to shout comments about my glasses including: “see you later four eyes”. I didn’t bother to respond as he was obviously looking for a reaction/argument. The Assistant Head then brought Kieran to my office to apologise but he clearly thought the whole thing was very amusing.
  • Kieran was swearing at one of the dept staff, also very disruptive. He was moved into my class where he continued to be outspoken and disruptive.
  • He pulled the hair of other pupils and engaged in other threatening behaviours as well as poured water into the bag of another pupil until all of their belongings and books were soaked.
    At the end of my history lesson on Thursday period 3 I was dealing with a boy in the class While my back was turned Kieran got involved in a scuffle with Mark. It appeared serious as they were both red faced and grabbing each other.
  • He, along with others, proceeded to throw paper around the room. At the end of the lesson the room was left in a complete state.
  • Kieran came to the wrong lesson but he ignored me and threw pencils with considerable force at other children instead. He then pulled his jumper over his head and shouted “Fucking hell, I can’t see”. By this time I had approached him and asserted that he had to leave the room. He told me to fuck off several times but eventually he stood outside the door. While I was taking the register he kept trying to open the door despite another teacher reminding him that this was not appropriate. Finally as the group left the room he grabbed hold of my arm and shouted “run away Jordan, I will hold him”.
  • Kieran hit another student in the face during a Design lesson. Previous to this he used inappropriate language in the company of visitors from the University and splashed water over the floor by the sink by turning the tap deliberately on full blast so that it would spray everywhere.
  • Kieran punched a student in the face during the lesson. This followed him using foul and abusive language in the company of visitors from the University and spraying water by turning the taps in the Art room on full blast.

Now here’s a couple of questions:
How long a period do you think this covers? (I’ve missed out all the minor incidents from the list.)
A year? Two years?
Or maybe you’re more cynical. Perhaps a term? Half a term?

The answer:

A month. That is the work of one eleven year old boy all within the space of four school weeks.
How much longer did it go on? I don’t know. He was still attending the school when I left months later.
If you object to schools putting up with this, can I direct you towards Frank Chalk’s petition here ?
I don’t know how much difference a petition can make but anything is worth a try.

Note: There is discussion related to this blog entry on TES (Bring Back the Cane)and INFET (Blog Update)


  1. How many of those boyish antics do you think would persist if he were caned every time he committed one?

  2. If you peruse the period literature, you will find that there were plenty of boyish acts, cane or no. I wouldn’t respect an institution that hit me, and it would only teach me to hit people myself. Not exactly the best outcome in that particular instance – now take this *biff*.

  3. (I can’t coment on what should happen to this boy as i’m neither there, not qualified to…)

    But, regarding the logging on this onto a database. People have obvioulsy put a lot of time into this. And, if he’s done all this ina month then it seems to be a lot of time and effort to state the bleedin obvious! Unless people are also logging when he acheives summat and then looks at both objectively, what’s the point?

    (Which isn;t the same as saying there is no point to the blog, as there obviously is)

  4. Rubbish. Before the 70s kids were routinely slapped, smacked, caned, rulered, slippered and belted by their teachers and their parents. Are you telling me that all previous generations were unable to make the link between bad behaviour and corporal punishment, and turned into beating, raving psychos themselves?

    Because it’s my experience that physical brutality between kids has never been higher, and their threshold of tolerance to it in the media, the news, their games and DVDs never lower. And they’re the generation who should be benefiting from the child-centred, child-as-angel, let’s-talk-about-how-we-feel, fluffy “discipline” strategies of the last thirty years, instead of which we have a genberation with the highest levels of mental illness and suicide.

  5. Ti Jean – it’s worth logging because often the only way you can exclude a kid is with copious written evidence.

  6. “And they’re the generation who should be benefiting from the child-centred, child-as-angel, let’s-talk-about-how-we-feel, fluffy “discipline” strategies of the last thirty years, instead of which we have a genberation with the highest levels of mental illness and suicide.”

    So, kids would be better off if we just hit them? An astounding hypothesis which I await most astoundedly to see confirmed in psychological literature. Astounding.

    I predict that the problem is not the lack of discipline from schools, but a lack of discipline in families, and within individuals. Nor am I talking about discipline as in punishent. What the hell are we raising our children to want, or to work for? Do children have expectations to succeed, does it seem possible to them that they can do anything worthwhile? Sadly, it seems not. We have managed to close off all avenues to talent, and not by telling students that they can be anything that they want – to be contrary to fashionable opinion as is fashionable – but by telling them that they can be nothing. Each and every day we tell kids to put their heads down, do sod all, look as if they’re doing something and rebel inwardly. We tell them that nothing much matters if you don’t do much.

    And that’s what I think is the poison from within – not that we are failing to hold our students to conform to a certain structure of behaviours and thoughts, but that the structure itself has gone. This has meant that discipline itself has disappeared – what have we to tell students to do anymore?

  7. No, as if you didn’t know, “just hitting them” is not part of an overall strategy that involves, for those who don’t respond to gentle persuasion and reasoned discourse, the option of balancing the urge to perform an antisocial act with the promise of physical pain.

    I don’t think this is the place to have a dicussion about how acceptable we find physical discipline, known to me as “smacking” but almost certainly known to you as “violent child abuse”.

  8. “I don’t think this is the place to have a dicussion about how acceptable we find physical discipline, known to me as “smacking” but almost certainly known to you as “violent child abuse”.”

    To sidestep this phantasmic issue, I do think this is the place to have a discussion based on what the last person says. It’s true that these comments are oddly out of order, but that does not excuse you for erecting a straw-man, executing ad hominem on it, and disregarding my argument.

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